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Posted on Oct 29 2007, 06:50 PM.
that's a good review, but it's very hard to take seriously someone who thinks rh peaked with the bends.  Er.

Hahahaha, BoM thinks they'll never do a better album than The Bends, HATES Kid A, but is in love with IR.  It's really winning people over.
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Posted on Oct 29 2007, 07:09 PM.
that's a good review, but it's very hard to take seriously someone who thinks rh peaked with the bends.  Er.

Hahahaha, BoM thinks they'll never do a better album than The Bends, HATES Kid A, but is in love with IR.  It's really winning people over.

i have such mixed feelings about this.  Jonny.

on the one hand, i'm totally chuffed for them, but on the other i don't want to share them with people who have lame taste. (no offense to bom.)
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Posted on Oct 29 2007, 10:47 PM.
I have such a strange sense of peace about the whole thing...the hype, the lyrical themes, the broad accessibility.

Very much like a...
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Posted on Oct 30 2007, 09:21 AM.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/5615/news/paste/paste_invites_readers_to_choose_own_subscription_price


Paste magazine is offering subscriptions for whatever you want to pay.  Pretty brilliant move on their part since they get to latch onto the RH hype and magazines make most of their money through advertising, the surge of new readers will make their advertising rates go up.  I got myself, BoM, and BFoM a subscription for $6.
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Posted on Oct 30 2007, 09:40 AM.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/5615/news/paste/paste_invites_readers_to_choose_own_subscription_price


Paste magazine is offering subscriptions for whatever you want to pay.  Pretty brilliant move on their part since they get to latch onto the RH hype and magazines make most of their money through advertising, the surge of new readers will make their advertising rates go up.  I got myself, BoM, and BFoM a subscription for $6.

Awesome.

I wish the Apple Store would do this as well. 
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Posted on Oct 31 2007, 07:34 AM.
Stuart Braithwaite, yes he of Mogwai fame, posted an article on DiS

Before I commence my rant I must say that there has never been a band that have forced me to change my mind about them as much as Radiohead. Their first album was third-rate indie that never showed any sign of the promise that was to come. From the name checking of chancers such as no-marks Strangelove and corporate tax-dodging preachers U2, they were a band that were hard to love. In the following years, however, a transmogrification of miraculous proportions took place as they became what they are now: a band that combine those rarest of bedfellows, artistic greatness and commercial success.

‘Anyone Can Play Guitar' to 'Pyramid Song'. Some trick! I can even forgive them for inspiring such musical criminals as Muse.

A couple of weeks ago Radiohead announced that they were going to release their new album themselves, online, with a policy that people could pay as much (or as little) for it as they pleased, thus bypassing the major label mechanism that they (and most of the artists anyone has ever heard of) use to get music to the masses. My social circle of indie idealists were ecstatic about this development, hoping that it would herald a new dawn where soulless creeps in suits with degrees in accountancy and no idea who Captain Beefheart is would no longer have the vice-like grasp on what is released and what people get to hear.

The situation for the download of the Radiohead record, In Rainbows, was the first issue to raise a few eyebrows, as the buyer (and we have to presume that a lot of people paid for it) had no control over the bit rate; all of which were 160kbps, which is nowhere near the quality of a compact disc. The other option is a box set (the ‘discbox’) which will contain the CD, a copy of the record on vinyl and codes to download mp3s. This costs £40, which is a tad expensive but may well come in beautiful packaging and be an artefact of such aesthetic greatness that the price totally justifies the cost. FYI, Shellac have given away a CD alongside vinyl copies of their last two records free of charge – a CD costs less than fifty pence when manufactured in any significant quantity.

On hearing of Radiohead's removal of the major labels from their particular food chain I was full of admiration and respect. It was only when rumours started to fly that a normal CD edition of the record would be available in the new year on their regular label Parlophone that I began to worry. Since this is just a rumour I can only say that if they are indeed going to release the record as normal after having their biggest and most loyal fans into buying a CD and vinyl box set at four times the normal price in time for Christmas and having pocketed fortunes by getting people to pay for low quality mp3s in advance then they should hang their heads in shame.

If, however, they are going DIY on an epic scale and are effectively sacking the men in suits then all hail Radiohead! The braveness of this move was juxtaposed perfectly with the fact that last week Madonna signed her new record deal with Live Nation aka Clear Channel aka the bastards that got George W Bush elected. But since she speaks with a fake upper class English accent and kills animals for fun they frankly deserve each other.

Eh.

anyone would've thought he's an atease troll or something
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Posted on Oct 31 2007, 12:08 PM.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/5615/news/paste/paste_invites_readers_to_choose_own_subscription_price


Paste magazine is offering subscriptions for whatever you want to pay.  Pretty brilliant move on their part since they get to latch onto the RH hype and magazines make most of their money through advertising, the surge of new readers will make their advertising rates go up.  I got myself, BoM, and BFoM a subscription for $6.

pretty sweet.  i signed up for $5.   Hap-py!
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Posted on Oct 31 2007, 02:22 PM.
that's a good review, but it's very hard to take seriously someone who thinks rh peaked with the bends.  Er.

That was exactly my thought on reading that one.
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Posted on Oct 31 2007, 02:42 PM.
Stuart Braithwaite, yes he of Mogwai fame, posted an article on DiS

Before I commence my rant I must say that there has never been a band that have forced me to change my mind about them as much as Radiohead. Their first album was third-rate indie that never showed any sign of the promise that was to come. From the name checking of chancers such as no-marks Strangelove and corporate tax-dodging preachers U2, they were a band that were hard to love. In the following years, however, a transmogrification of miraculous proportions took place as they became what they are now: a band that combine those rarest of bedfellows, artistic greatness and commercial success.

‘Anyone Can Play Guitar' to 'Pyramid Song'. Some trick! I can even forgive them for inspiring such musical criminals as Muse.

A couple of weeks ago Radiohead announced that they were going to release their new album themselves, online, with a policy that people could pay as much (or as little) for it as they pleased, thus bypassing the major label mechanism that they (and most of the artists anyone has ever heard of) use to get music to the masses. My social circle of indie idealists were ecstatic about this development, hoping that it would herald a new dawn where soulless creeps in suits with degrees in accountancy and no idea who Captain Beefheart is would no longer have the vice-like grasp on what is released and what people get to hear.

The situation for the download of the Radiohead record, In Rainbows, was the first issue to raise a few eyebrows, as the buyer (and we have to presume that a lot of people paid for it) had no control over the bit rate; all of which were 160kbps, which is nowhere near the quality of a compact disc. The other option is a box set (the ‘discbox’) which will contain the CD, a copy of the record on vinyl and codes to download mp3s. This costs £40, which is a tad expensive but may well come in beautiful packaging and be an artefact of such aesthetic greatness that the price totally justifies the cost. FYI, Shellac have given away a CD alongside vinyl copies of their last two records free of charge – a CD costs less than fifty pence when manufactured in any significant quantity.

On hearing of Radiohead's removal of the major labels from their particular food chain I was full of admiration and respect. It was only when rumours started to fly that a normal CD edition of the record would be available in the new year on their regular label Parlophone that I began to worry. Since this is just a rumour I can only say that if they are indeed going to release the record as normal after having their biggest and most loyal fans into buying a CD and vinyl box set at four times the normal price in time for Christmas and having pocketed fortunes by getting people to pay for low quality mp3s in advance then they should hang their heads in shame.

If, however, they are going DIY on an epic scale and are effectively sacking the men in suits then all hail Radiohead! The braveness of this move was juxtaposed perfectly with the fact that last week Madonna signed her new record deal with Live Nation aka Clear Channel aka the bastards that got George W Bush elected. But since she speaks with a fake upper class English accent and kills animals for fun they frankly deserve each other.

Eh.

anyone would've thought he's an atease troll or something
Methinks this guy needs to concentrate less on 'low quality' downloads and more on high quality music. It's a been a while since Young Team.

It's always disappointing to me when artists say stupid things. Count them in, I guess, amongst the many the demystifying release process caught with their pants down.
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Posted on Nov 03 2007, 07:49 AM.
that's a good review, but it's very hard to take seriously someone who thinks rh peaked with the bends.  Er.

It's hard to take anyone seriously who is doing such a bad job of hiding their dislike of all electronic music and their view that it's an irrelevant "detour" compared the "vitality" of rock. If they just thought Radiohead sucked at it, that would be one thing and I even agree to an extent with the production of certain songs (although to be honest, I think moments of In Rainbows suffer from this, rather than Kid A), but you can kinda tell they think music that doesn't sound like a rock band played it, sucks in general.  Pinch.

I have to say though, for me The Bends is better than OK Computer, actually. Ok, it has a few minor flaws, but it's only unoriginal in comparison to Kid A and Amnesiac and that's really not a fair comparison since few great albums attempt to combine genres on that level. I think it's not disgraceful if someone thinks it's their best- in some ways it feels like less of an open-and-shut album than OKC. To say that they "peaked" in 1995 would annoy me though. I would say they peaked on Amnesiac in terms of creativity, however I'm not sure whether I think that is their best album. My Iron Lung EP could be their best album to me also. They peaked lots of separate times of course!
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Posted on Nov 03 2007, 03:28 PM.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/5615/news/paste/paste_invites_readers_to_choose_own_subscription_price


Paste magazine is offering subscriptions for whatever you want to pay.  Pretty brilliant move on their part since they get to latch onto the RH hype and magazines make most of their money through advertising, the surge of new readers will make their advertising rates go up.  I got myself, BoM, and BFoM a subscription for $6.

I got a subscription ... for $4.20.  Roll Eyes
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Posted on Nov 03 2007, 05:35 PM.
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/5615/news/paste/paste_invites_readers_to_choose_own_subscription_price


Paste magazine is offering subscriptions for whatever you want to pay.  Pretty brilliant move on their part since they get to latch onto the RH hype and magazines make most of their money through advertising, the surge of new readers will make their advertising rates go up.  I got myself, BoM, and BFoM a subscription for $6.

I got a subscription ... for $4.20.  Roll Eyes

US only. Eh. Eh. Eh.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 06:55 PM.
 Eh.

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Most fans paid $0 for Radiohead album

By ALEX VEIGA, AP Business Writer
Tue Nov 6, 2:52 PM ET

Radiohead let its fans decide how much to pay for a digital copy of the band's latest release, "In Rainbows," and more than half of those who downloaded the album chose to pay nothing, according to a study by a consumer research firm.

Some 62 percent of the people who downloaded "In Rainbows" in a four-week period last month opted not to pay the British alt-rockers a cent. But the remaining 38 percent voluntarily paid an average of $6, according to the study by comScore Inc.

Radiohead broke with its past practice of releasing its music in CD format and through a major record label when it released its seventh studio album online itself. The biggest wrinkle was the band's decision to let fans pay as much or as little as they wanted to download a copy.

The results of the study were drawn from data gathered from a few hundred people who are part of comScore's database of 2 million computer users worldwide. The firm, which has permission to monitor the computer users' online behavior, did not provide a margin of error for the study's results.

Between Oct. 1 and Oct. 29, about 1.2 million people visited the Web site the band set up for fans to download the album, comScore said Monday. The research firm did not say how many people in its study actually bought the album.

Among U.S. residents, about 40 percent who downloaded the album paid to do so. Their average payment was $8.05, the firm said.

Some 36 percent of the fans outside the U.S. who downloaded the album opted to pay; on average, those fans paid $4.64, according to the study.

Radiohead's U.S.-based publicist said Tuesday the band had no comment on the study.

The online release sent shock waves through the recording industry, with some hailing it as a shrewd move at a time of declining CD sales industrywide and others writing it off as a publicity stunt that amounted to the band giving away its music.

The band, which also offered fans the option of buying a lavish box set for about $82, plans to release the album in CD format some time next year.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 06:59 PM.
statistics.   Roll Eyes

seriously, in the end did they make more money than they would have with a traditional release?  i mean, if we're going to make this about THE MONEY, then how did radiohead do?!

take into account production costs, everyone taking a cut from management to labels to distributors to local music shops.  in the end, how much does a band make on an album?  a dollar per album?  probly less!

statistics are bullshit.  you can make them say what you want.  i don't trust those tricksy mathemagicians!   Angry.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 07:00 PM.
Remember though they're only counting people who bought the download, not those of use who shelled out for the discbox.

And all of those curiousity seekers who took it for free now have RH on their iPods where they may have been none before. And RH has all their names and numbers. Stanley.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 07:01 PM.

Among U.S. residents, about 40 percent who downloaded the album paid to do so. Their average payment was $8.05, the firm said.

Some 36 percent of the fans outside the U.S. who downloaded the album opted to pay; on average, those fans paid $4.64, according to the study.


i bet americans paid double because they were too stupid to do the math and figure out that their $10 was really almost $20.   Roll Eyes
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 07:06 PM.
It's just the tone of the article that pisses me off...like Radiohead fails, the whole experiment is a failure, if everybody  doesn't pay. Which is totally unrealistic...no shit, most people over the long term will get the album for free. That's what happens in every case, with every new release. I would care a lot more if they surveyed people who identified themselves as actual Radiohead fans, instead of RH-curious, and the results were the same.

And what everyone else said too Stanley.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 07:10 PM.
I think getting into numbers at this point is silly.  Roll Eyes  How many people who would have downloaded the album for free would have simply downloaded it for free off of a torrent site anyways?  How many people are going to buy the hard release?  I think *that* will be the real test; whether all the hype and press about the album is going to increase the sales of the physical album.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 07:16 PM.
i think the real test is OMGYG THIS ALBUM IS FUCKING GREAT and screw you doubters!

 
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 07:22 PM.
I'm also wanting to figure out how many people *bought* the album.  1.2 million people visited the site...if only half those people downloaded the album and 38% of that paid money then RH have 'sold' 200,000 downloads in a month.

Er.  At least, I think that's right.  Unsure.  My math is probably fucked up.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 10:16 PM.
I wonder if the discbox buyers were included in the "did not pay for downloads" group. Unsure.
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Posted on Nov 06 2007, 11:25 PM.
Wasn't this a survey of only 200 people?
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 06:32 AM.

Among U.S. residents, about 40 percent who downloaded the album paid to do so. Their average payment was $8.05, the firm said.

Some 36 percent of the fans outside the U.S. who downloaded the album opted to pay; on average, those fans paid $4.64, according to the study.


i bet americans paid double because they were too stupid to do the math and figure out that their $10 was really almost $20.   Roll Eyes

this is actually a bit of a misleading statistic in the original article....... the problem is that the prices paid where in Pounds not Dollars.

I'm not sure what average prices in the US, but for a physical CD in the UK the average is around the £9 mark (that's a fact, but I can't remember the source Roll Eyes) and typical album downloads cost £7-£8.

But then there's the added complication of the strong/weak exchange rate which will really skew the figures when you start talking in terms of dollars. Although I guess really they just took the pounds figures and multiplied them by 2.

I just wonder, in Dollars, what's the average price of a phyiscal copy & download of an album?


eta: not to mention that the statistics for "outside the UK" negate the fact that not everyone was in the ok. So buyers paying in, for example, Euros may have set their decision based on Euros prices, converted that into pounds, and then that amount has been converted to dollars for the purpose of those stats Thom.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 11:39 AM.
So, guess who the next big band to follow in Radiohead's footsteps and circumvent the record labels is? Did you guess The Eagles? If you didn't, you were wrong. Stanley. Check it:

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The Eagles -- the multi-platinum selling alt country/rock band circa 1970s -- are trying an interesting sales strategy for their first studio album in 28 years.

For the new disc, it appears that there is:

- no recording label participation;
- downloads at their site only;
- physical 2-CD Set purchased only at Wal-Mart, or ordered at their site ((Eaglesband.com)

The band cranked out over 700,000 discs in the first week -- not too shabby for a double disc.

For you young 'uns, the album Eagles: Their Greatest Hits 1971–1975 is the all time best-selling album in the U.S. (according to the RIAA); Their album Hotel California is #18 on the all time top selling list).

What's really interesting is the downloading -- the double disc is available for in two formats: MP3 256k for $10.88, and in FLAC lossless for $11.88, directly from the band's website.

I am not sure, but it appears that both the labels and Apple's iTunes have been cut out of the picture.

(I'll update this as I learn more)


Update: November 7, 2007 5:52am

The Eagles made a direct exclusive deal with Wal-Mart for physical album -- no label involved.

The band sold the album to Wal-Mart on a one-way basis (meaning, no returns).

My anonymous industry source adds:

"If memory serves, I believe they bought 3.6M units at $8 or $9. The Band pays manufacturing costs and publishing (most of which goes to themselves as writers) and keeps the rest. Pretty nice haul. I haven't confirmed with the manager, but I believe the downloads are being done by the band through their site only."

Again, no iTunes, no labels . . .

Just judging from this, it looks like bands are finding the idea of leaving record labels out of the loop appealing, but they aren't quite so bold to let people pay whatever they want for downloads like our boys. Still, at least the Eagles are offering a pretty good bitrate at a decent price. Not that I'm ever going to listen to this, mind you...
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 11:42 AM.
the eagles have a new record?  Wtf.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 11:43 AM.
Yeah, first in 28 years! I oughtta tell my folks, they're gonna spaz. Tongue

(And Conventional LOL. at the article calling them "alt-country" Roll Eyes)
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 11:47 AM.
we really don't need a new eagles album, do we?

(And Conventional LOL. at the article calling them "alt-country" Roll Eyes)

yeah, that's a good one.  Conventional LOL.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 11:57 AM.
god, signing with wal-mart is way more evil than signing with starbucks.   Pinch.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 12:17 PM.
god, signing with wal-mart is way more evil than signing with starbucks.   Pinch.
Truly. Pinch.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 12:24 PM.
i thought the album was already out normally........ at least it is here, its number one in the album charts
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 12:46 PM.
i thought the album was already out normally........ at least it is here, its number one in the album charts

 Wtf. Wtf. Wtf. Wtf.

have you heard it? what's it like?
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 01:21 PM.
i haven't heard it yet. my dad likes it, but he's in his early 50s and a sucker for MOR.

I always quite liked the Eagles..... but maybe they have a better reputation here Unsure.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 01:28 PM.
i think they've written some great classic songs, but over the years their enormous egos have overshadowed their musicianship imo. that's why it's hard not to feel cynical about this reunion. it's got cash register written all over it.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 03:08 PM.
i think they've written some great classic songs, but over the years their enormous egos have overshadowed their musicianship imo. that's why it's hard not to feel cynical about this reunion. it's got cash register written all over it.

well they'd only be the 100th band this year to do it. at least they made some new music.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 03:21 PM.
eeeenteresting

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/46954-radiohead-box-set-labels-idea-not-bands
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 03:34 PM.
That confirms everything we guessed.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 03:48 PM.
yup, although it's just someone who wrote it, we don't know the source of those comments. but's it's clear radiohead, the band, had nothing to do with it.
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Posted on Nov 07 2007, 05:38 PM.
Yeah, it makes total sense.


EMI. Bathtards. I wonder if this is at all related to the recent memo by the CEO that was leaked? Where he said that their artists weren't "working hard enough" and only cared about getting big advances? Roll Eyes
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Posted on Nov 08 2007, 08:45 AM.
http://www.nme.com/news/radiohead/32393

apparently those survey figures are very inaccurate - clearly based on an inadeqaute sample as sonny mentioned.
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Posted on Nov 08 2007, 01:44 PM.
i thought the album was already out normally........ at least it is here, its number one in the album charts

 Wtf. Wtf. Wtf. Wtf.

have you heard it? what's it like?

I haven't heard it personally, although most of the reviews I've read seem to indicate that there are 3 or 4 good-to-excellent tunes in the classic Eagles vein, rounded out with a bunch of filler material (not dissimilar from a lot of Eagles albums from back in the day, in fact).

Of course, the Wal-Mart exclusivity deal negates at least 2, if not 3, of those good songs IMHO.  Eh.

I am comparably annoyed with Tom Petty for putting out his career retrospective live CD/DVD only through Best Buy, who are likewise on my nameless, faceless corporation shit list.  In good company with Exxon and Mitsubishi, and several others who I can't even remember at the moment.
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